Talk: Windows 2000
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Actually, it isn't completely correct to say that XP is the successor to 2000. XP is the successor to 9x/Me and NT Professional, but there is currently no successor to the Windows 2000 server products. "Windows Server .Net" or some similar foolishness, is currently, I think, in beta 3. To say that XP is the successor to 2000 over-emphasizes the role of 2000 as a desktop operating system and under-emphasizes it as a network operating system. - 9jack9.
In the sense that XP was built upon 2000, you could say that it is the successor. I think that XP was supposed to replace *both* 2000 and ME, by making 2000 easier to use for desktop but keeping it powerful enough for networking. Also (I think) that .net isn't itself an operating system, but a programming-design protocall or something like that. -- sodium
Well, it's reasonable to say that XP is mostly built on the code of W2K, so in that sense it's the successor to W2K. However, it's supposed to also be the successor in the sense of "migration path" from all Windows desktop operating systems. So, does that make it the successor to W2K Pro, 9x/Me, or both? I dunno. Also, there are two versions of XP, XP Home and XP Professional, so you could say that XP Home is the successor to 9x/Me and that XP Pro is the successor to W2K Pro.
Microsoft says that the "next generation of the Windows Server family" is "Windows .Net Server Beta 3". They also refer to "Microsoft's .Net vision", which includes pretty much everything, including Windows server versions, server applications, programming platform, and Internet-based services. - 9jack9.
- ... does that make it the successor to W2K Pro, 9x / Me, or both?
My understanding was that it was both, including large-scale networking. I suppose .Net must be the next generation of windows, but I think it will be a few years before it comes out (whatever Microsoft claims). -- sodium
Which leads me to the conclusion that brief discussions of successor in the article doesn't add a lot of value, unless it tries to detail all of these things. -9jack9.
Windows XP was defined by microsoft as a "convergence". The difference between home and professional seems to be an artificial contrivance by microsoft like the NT4 server workstation difference. They simply made two versions of the same product, but they are the same underneath. I would be more prone to define "successor" by kernel rather than by whatever functionality microsoft chooses to add as a package, so in that sense it is true successor to both 2000 and 9x regardless whether its targeted to server or desktop.
--Alan D
I don't see that it is more reasonably correct to consider successor to be defined by kernal rather than by intended use. If XP Home is marketed as the upgrade to 9x/Me and XP Pro is marketed as the upgrade to Windows 2000 Pro, but .Net Server is the upgrade Windows 2000 server products, I don't see how it's correct to simply consider XP the successor to 2000, and consider that the end of the story. -9Jack9
Fair enough, but I personally don't see the superior value in chronicling the marketing strategy of microsoft rather than the evolution of their products. Name distinction is important to them as a tool to make money. If they are the same kernel underneath, that is at least notable for us. How the different products are marketed is important I agree, but I personally find this less important than how the product actually works. On the other hand, maybe this is because of the profession I am in. I'm not going to mess with the page because I think you are doing a good job, but just wanted to add my two cents.
Cheers, Alan D
Hmmm, actually, I'd think that in a comprehensive article, both the marketing strategy and the kernel evolution would be important topics. Thanks for the compliment, but actually, all I did was start the page, with about a third of what is now there. This is my first Wikipedia article, and it's a pretty amazing process. And, fwiw, professionally, the kernel impacts me a great deal, but I would think that a general-purpose encyclopedia article should perhaps include social/marketing aspects as well as technical details.
-9Jack9.
Boot disk nonsense
- The page you just linked to doesn't tell you how to create a DOS boot disk. What was your point? That just tells you how to create a floppy disk that will be able to locate a Windows NT or later installation on a hard disk and boot from it, when the partition table is fucked up.
- The "Emergency Repair Disk" option under the Tools menu of the version of Backup included with Windows 2000 creates DOS boot disks. Just incase you aren't clear, the easiest way to tell is to look at a floppy disk for a file called COMMAND.COM and a file called MSDOS.SYS. If it includes those files then you can be pretty certain it is an MS-DOS boot disk. AlistairMcMillan 23:15, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Alistar, please do accept the fact that the procedure you outlined, does NOT produce the results you say it does. Indeed, after lauching NTBACKUP.exe, one is able to use the "backup" utility and one is indeed able to create an Emergency Repair Disk, however, the only files Windows 2000 puts on that diskette are:
- NN.exe
- setup.log
- config.nt
- autoexec.nt
Even looking for hidden and system files reveals no COMMAND.COM and MSDOS.sys. I am in USA. Perhaps the Europeon version differs, but USA Win2k with all latest fix paks and services gives the result I describe. Reverting you. 216.153.214.94 01:42, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Sorry. Don't know what I did this morning but I'm sure (well 90% sure) I managed to create a boot floppy in Windows 2000. Tried again just there and only got three files (setup.log, config.nt and autoexec.nt). Didn't get the nn.exe file. I've left your edit in with some modifications. I hope they are not too disagreeable. Again, and I think for the first time, I admit Rex you were right. AlistairMcMillan 03:33, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
While I admit no relation to this mysterious "Rex" that you keep referring to, thank you. 216.153.214.94 04:08, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I still don't think that it's a valid concern. First Windows 2000 was designated as a business operating system, so any user should either have some sort of IT support, or be knowledgeable enough to use obtain another one. Second it's only a valid criticism for the first year or so IMO, because after that it's simply bad support from the companies that require the boot disks, not to provide an alternate source such as PC-DOS, or to use BSD or Linux and re-write their tools. PPGMD
