Talk: Traditional counties of England

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1 Wording - mere 2 Blank map 3 Past tense 4 Origin of Exclaves? 5 Vague statement

Wording - mere

Under the subhead, "The traditional counties movement" in the article, one of the bullet points is "to get Ordnance Survey and other map suppliers to mere and mark the traditional county boundaries". What is "to mere and mark"? If it's a typo, then fine, let's correct it; but if it's a proper usage, can we have an explanation please? The point to this latter being that I haven't heard of it and I very much hope I am not the only one, so it might, without a word of explanation, be too obscure for the encylopaedia. Thanks, --Nevilley 15:50, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

As I understand it, 'mere' means determine where the boundaries actually lie on the ground, on massive maps. The OS has a duty to mere the administrative boundaries. This is important because sometimes traditional boundaries will follow ancient hedges that have since been destroyed; or rivers that have been diverted or culverted. Morwen - Talk 15:54, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Golly. You learn something every day! Thanks. I have failed to find this definition anywhere - yet! Would you feel like adding a note explaining this usage? Also, if it's an OS duty, does it need to say "and other map suppliers" or do they do it too? Thanks, --Nevilley 16:09, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Well, dictionary.com has 'mere' as meaning a boundary (in the noun). I have to admit I am guessing quite a bit. There is a section of the Local Government Act 1972 which requires the OS to 'mere' the boundaries - and from context that is what it appears it means. The statutory requirement is only on OS. Morwen - Talk 20:42, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Blank map

For if this gets on the main page, I uploaded a suitable map, without the numbers. Morwen - Talk 12:24, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Past tense

The 'Traditional subdivisions' section contains a number of sentences with past tense references. "Some of the traditional counties had major subdivisions". "Of these, the most important were...". "Since Yorkshire was so big". "The second largest county, Lincolnshire, was also divided into three historic "Parts"". "Other divisions included...". The rest of the section deals with administrative areas that actually are historic, but the sentences above seem out-of-place in the past tense considering correct the use of the present tense elsewhere in the article. Owain 15:18, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Origin of Exclaves?

I think it would be interesting to add some detail about the origin of exclaves to the Authenticity and anomalies section (just their general origin, unless specific detail is interesting). I don't know if this information is known, but it was my first thought on reading - why are these areas contained wholly by one county part of a different county entirely? --HappyDog 00:39, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Vague statement

"Although it is quite possible that the ABC considers debate on this matter a minor priority compared to its more general campaign, so this comment should not necessarily be interpreted as the product of internal dispute."

I've removed this, again, as it has no fact in it at all ("it is quite possible"). As it is, it is POV and presumably could imply it is quite possible it is ripping the ABC group apart. That is not the case, so I've changed "dispute" to "disagreement" in the previous paragraph. I suggest more changes to that rather than reinserting this paragraph yet again. 143.167.77.5 19:47, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)