Talk: Thirteen Colonies

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1 Division of the colonies 2 Specific colony locations 3 Why delink colony names? 4 Title 5 Heading 6 Help request

Division of the colonies

Are the colonies separated into 3 parts: New England, __, and __? --Menchi 07:00, Aug 1, 2003 (UTC)

Found it in a textbook: New E., Middle, and Southern. I'll add them to the article. --Menchi 07:02, Aug 1, 2003 (UTC)

It's an artificial classification, but it is somewhat helpful, so I'm fine with it. Just bear in mind there was no formal distinction, although there were various divisions that drove certain decisions: north vs. south, and large state (especially population) vs. small state, but the 3 part division is reasonably helpful and the most common division made for this period of the United States as far as I can recall. I think the other distinctions I just mentioned are better placed on a US Constitional History page. Daniel Quinlan 08:23, Aug 1, 2003 (UTC)

Specific colony locations

What about linking directly to founding colonies, eg,

Maryland (eg, St. Marie's City)

Massachusetts (eg, Boston_Colony)

Would that be appropriate ?

-- Anon

I wouldn't link directly, but I would perhaps provide links to articles about each colony history. The history of Massachusetts, for example, goes far beyond the founding colony. Daniel Quinlan 08:00, Dec 12, 2003 (UTC)

Why delink colony names?

Any reason for delinking all but four of the colony names? jengod 00:26, Feb 13, 2004 (UTC)

The ones I delinked have been renamed to a single place which is already in wikipedia (and linked), so the most we'd have is a redundant redirect. Anthony DiPierro 00:28, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)

The history of New Jersey is already in the New Jersey article. Anthony DiPierro 14:04, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Title

Moved article from 13 colonies to Thirteen Colonies because:

1. style manuals seem to favor "13" being spelled out in this instance (see, for example, Chicago Manual of Style)
2. "thirteen colonies" returns slightly more results than "13 colonies" on Google (31,500 vs. 31,000)
3. "Colonies" should be capitalized because this is a formal historical term

--Lowellian 00:57, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

Which section of Chicago are you referring to? What is this instance? 9.3 or 9.5? jengod 01:21, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

I don't have a copy of Chicago with me, but I'm pretty sure I'm right on this one. Most manuals of style in the humanities and social sciences use one the spell-out-numbers-from-1-to-100 rule (though I grant that some other manuals use other, more complicated rules, such as the word-count rule wherein "twenty" is spelled out but "21" is not). There are numerous exceptions when those rules aren't applied and the number is spelled out, such as years, dollar amounts, percentages, page numbers, etc., but none of those exceptions apply in this case. --Lowellian 04:05, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

Heading

Why was the heading changed to "Et al."? I find that to be extremely confusing. What was wrong with the original heading of "Other British colonies in North America and the Caribbean in 1776"? --Lowellian 04:14, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

Help request

I'm working on a page which explains the western land claims surrended by the original Thirteen Colonies in the early years of the American republic. As I've researched, it's become clear to me that there would be no better way to do this than to have a map. Is there anyone out there who knows how to do this, has software which is helpful, digs cartography or knows where I can find a public domain version of this material? I've found several examples on the web. My vomit draft of the page--did I mention it was a vomit draft?--is at User:Jengod/State_cessions. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.

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