Talk: Philosopher
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Eastern
Do we want eastern philosophers mixed in with the Western ones, or in a seperate section? Kwertii 01:29 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Order
Should we list the philosophers in alphabetical order last-name first, or first name first? I prefer last-name first, it makes it easier to see that the order is alphabetical. Any preferences? -- Simon_J_Kissane
- I don't have a strong opinion. You have a good point. But two relevant considerations are that others have made lists of people, and they didn't list last names first (so you're being inconsistent in format with others on Wikipedia), that listing last names first is apt to confuse newcomers into thinking that we'll want in titles to put last names first. Welcome, anyway, Simon J Kissane, whoever you are. :-) --LMS
- Well, I already changed it to be in that order; if anyone wants I can swap it around again. -- Simon J Kissane
Islamic
Someone added Avicenna a second time (in the wrong part of the alphabet). I'm correcting; I'm also adding the full and properly-spelt names of several Arabic philosophers (Avicenna = Ibn Sina, Averroes = Ibn Rushd). If anyone knows the appropriate convention for alphabetizing these (starting with the Ibn or the Sina?) please correct them.
- Arabic?? Avicenna was Persian and Averroes was Spanish!
- Yeah, but both were Muslim and wrote almost entirely in Arabic. At any rate, their placement as Eastern Philosophers is awfully problematic. As the entry on Eastern Philosophy states, "In the West, the term Eastern philosophy refers very broadly to the various philosophical systems of East Asia." As you accurately (if only in the strictest sense) pointed out, these two are hardly from East Asia. I am going to add an "Islamic Philosopher" entry.--69.143.128.152 02:12, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Come to think of it, doesn't the whole list unnecessarily replicate the List of philosophers page? I think if this page is to be useful, it should discuss what it is to be a philosopher; philosophers' idea of the role of the philosopher in society (Plato's philosopher king vs. Socrates' gadfly), etc.. --Max power 02:33, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Templates
Hi all, I just added the templates to the Popular Western philosophers section; if someone doesn't like the look this creates, could they at least please use all the names in both templates, or alternately update the templates, with the exception perhaps of names like Ayn Rand (Contemporary philosophers are just those that are either alive or passed away within the last two decades)? It's a bit awkward having templates that name influential philosophers, which do not coincide with a list of "popular" philosophers. PS Since Avicenna and other Islamic philosophers are more relevant to Western philosophy, I moved them there, though we could also create a list of Islamic philosophers instead. -- Simonides 21:16, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
