Talk: Paul Wolfowitz
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what is Wolfowitz's military experience? Kingturtle 07:11 Apr 15, 2003 (UTC)
From what I've read, he managed to avoid military service.
Ok could we remove the non NPOV tone of this article. Using words like "ultra-zionist" and largely grouping members of the bush administration as "neoconservatives" lays out a political tone could easily be construed as "unsupportive" or "anti-wolfowitz," and those of us who know him probably wouldnt describe him in exactly this fashion. - slw2014
- I agree with your statements and I think that your edits to the article were good. However, I don't understand why you removed the statement, "Wolfowitz is also one of the few neo-conservatives to have endorsed the creation of a Palestinian state..." Is Wolfowitz' uniquness among neoconservatives in this respect not an important piece of information? Are you disputing the statement or its inclusion in the article?
- Thanks,
- Acegikmo1 20:24, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- I do believe this is pretty non-POV. Is he a neoconservative? Yes. Did he endorse the idea of a Palestinian state? Yes. Is that rare for neoconservatives? Yes. What's the issue?
- This matter was resolved some time ago. The original poster's problem was with the term "neoconservative" (which can have more than one meaning). "one of the few neoconservatives in the Bush administration" was chosen as an acceptable compromise; to the best of my knowledge, no-one has any complaint with the current wording. CJCurrie 01:38, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I was the one who originally wrote "Wolfowitz is also one of the few neo-conservatives ..." (this was before I acquired a login name). It was intended as a statement of fact, not a political POV or value judgement. I'm fully supportive of removing the non-NPOV parts of this page; I just don't think my contribution should be considered in that category.
Given the controversial nature of the subject matter, I'm willing to give the person who removed the line a chance to explain him/herself before I put it back in. If I don't receive such an explanation by tomorrow, the line returns.
(For now, I've corrected the grammar.)
- CJCurrie
Response to my edits
my main reason for removing that comment revolves around the term neo-conservative. While I do not clain that this lable is not applicable to Mr. Wolfowitz, the term is one that is less easily defined than, say, Republican and Democrat or Conservative and Liberal. If one were asked to list all of the "neo-conservatives" in politics, many on that list could easily be contended, especially given the history of the term and its changing meaning over time. So saying that Mr Wolfowitz is "one of the few..." might be difficult to quantify. Also, and I take this directly from the wikipedia article, "one should note that many prominent neoconservatives are not Jewish, such as Michael Novak, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Frank Gaffney, and Max Boot." My point is, sentiments against the formation of a palestinian state are not a necessary staple of neoconservatism, even though many NC's are pro-israel. If neo-conservatism were defined as such I would say ok, but it is a rather ambiguus term in my view and should be replaced where it is not absolutely necessary. I would not be against somehow describing him as one of the few staunch supporters of israel in US government who also supports a palestinian state, again it was the "neoconservative" wording that bothered me. ~Slw2014
To slw: I've also had some difficulties with the use of the term "neoconservative" as exclusively applied to Perle, Wolfowitz, Kirkpatrick et al, given that the term had a much less specific meaning during the 1980s and 1990s. I think that the wording would still be appropriate here, but I could find a neutral term if "neoconservative" would cause too many problems. (I'll think of something, in any case ...)
good deal, that certainly seems appropriate. It looks good to me slw2014
slw2014 what is a nice term for the "dual loyalty" Likudnik cabal. Traitor seems over the top and agent of influence is a bit too generic. "Neoconservative" or "NeoCon" seems very generous. Many prominent neoconservatives are not Jewish so it is not a Jewish thing. How do you know Wolfowitz?
