Talk: Oregon
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Oregonians still have quite a bit of ethno-centrism that stands in the way of cultural progress, in my own personal completely-biased opinion. For example, a great many second- or third-generation white immigrants call themselves native Oregonians despite their total lack of Native American heritage, simply because they are third generation instead of first. At the same time these same people blast newcomers from other states, especially California. Although we haven't seen any "Don't Californicate Oregon" signs in a while, the cultural undercurrent is still quite present.
I'm not sure how to integrate it into the article without creating a big mess :-)
Hopefully, this ethno-centrism is adequately addressed by the section "The state has a long history of polarizing conflicts between its citizens: Native Americans vs. English fur trappers, ...native-Oregonians vs. Californians (or outsiders in general)."
Personally, I think the huge influxing of Californians (and Mexicans, and on and on) into Oregon, for all the problems its caused (e.g. congestion), it will help greatly dilute and diffuse the ethno-centrism. When one's co-workers and friends represent several different races, it makes it tough to maintain a prejudicial stance.
- I was not aware that Oregonian and Californian were ethnicities. ;) --Brion
Never been to Oregon, eh? ;-) -- User:BryceHarrington
In the last few days, I've noticed that people have been constantly adding more cities & towns to this article. Which raises the question: which ones *should* be added -- & why? If we don't agree to some kind of criteria, eventually we will add every one of the 400-odd incorporated communities to this page -- which will make it unwieldly. -- llywrch 20:33 Feb 1, 2003 (UTC)
- I added a few cities, but mostly I just cleaned up the list that was there. I've been wondering this myself; should there be a separate page listing cities only? Or perhaps only list those with populations over a certain number? -- Chuggnutt
Right now we have 22 cities (counting Oregon City) listed. If we were to select the 20 largest Oregon cities (to pick a round number), they would be:
- Portland, Eugene, Salem, Gresham, Beaverton, Hillsboro, Medford, Springfield, Bend, Corvallis, Tigard, Albany, Lake Oswego, Keizer, McMinnville, Oregon City, Grants Pass, Tualatin, West Linn, and Milwaukie.
Hmm. The list on the main page is scattered a little more evenly across a map of Oregon. Maybe we should offer a List of Oregon Cities on a second page, with all 240 incorporated locales. (My earlier number was from memory: this number is from Loy's Atlas of Oregon, 2nd ed.) -- llywrch 22:46 Feb 2, 2003 (UTC)
- At List of cities in the United States, there are empty links to articles like List of cities in Oregon -- once the list gets unmanageable, the top five to ten or so should stay here, and the rest be moved there. Tokerboy
- Good idea. I like the idea of having a geographically diverse selection of cities on the main page-- like Porland, Salem, Medford, Bend, etc.-- only listing the top 5 or 10 or so, and then link to the List of cities. I can start filling out the List of cities in Oregon page in the meantime... --Chuggnutt
Well I figure on List of cities in Oregon we should have all, and I've been adding
from the ODOT official map. (I work for ODOT)--Dmsar
And as for the Cal/OR conflict... I am a "native" Arizonan. One of the main resentments
is that Cals spoiled their state and will do the same to ours. Such as big lawns and
swimming pools in AZ in the middle of the DESERT. Also you can sell a shack in California
in a high property value area and almost buy a mansion in Oregon with the proceeds.
This causes the Oregon property values to increase beyond the relatively lower income
property owners' ability to pay the increased tax liability. Forces some people who thought
they were gonna live compfortably to make major changes.
Also historically Oregonians have an independant "quirky" political focus and some of the
Californians want to "re-create" our fine state into a provence of California.
A decade ago as a cashier, I asked for ID for a check and was bitched out by a woman who
said, "In CALIFORNIA we don't have to give you that information". Well I wanted to slap
her and say, "You are NOT in CALIFORNIA, and we DON'T have to take your check. But it wasn't
my store, so I simply seethed. Dmsar 12:57 21 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Well I finished adding the cities (if you can call population 25 a "city") Dmsar 14:00 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I think the hostility towards Californians is mostly a manifestation of the frustration/fear of the happy Eden dweller perceiving an inadequate recognition by the newcomer of the mostly-shared values which made Oregon the place that it is (or was). Many people end up parroting the hostility without understanding its basis. The basis is important, the hostility is not. -- Russell Senior
User:FactionofReds has made some edits that are somewhat POV ('beautiful forests and streams'), and has also eliminated the template. This should probably be reverted, and then the good edits made by F of Reds can be reinstated. •→Iñgólemo←• 20:30, 2004 Nov 11 (UTC)
