Talk: Jaguar (car)
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Why was this page renamed from Jaguar (cars) to Jaguar automobile? The article is not just about the cars but the company as a whole so Jaguar Cars is probably the best name for the article. Even in the US the company is known as Jaguar Cars. -- Popsracer 11:07, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I feel the XJ's are the most "typical" and easy to spot Jaguars. It would seem nicer to have one of them in the pictures. --blades 00:39, Apr 26, 2004 (UTC)
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Dear Wikipedians,
As far as I know, Swallow Sidecar Company was not Jaguar Cars but the forerunner of them. This company used "SS" as a brand. The 1935 2.5 litre model "90" was the first Jaguar model which was officially called "SS Jaguar". Due to unnecessary asociations post war with the German SS or Schutzstaffel, the company name was changed in 1945 to Jaguar. Consequently, I think "SS (cars)" would be a separate entry and only a reference should be left here at this entry. I am ready to make the necessary modifications.
--80.98.146.251 22:52, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Sorry, I forgot to log in first.
--Millisits 22:54, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I disagree. Swallow Sidecar and Jaguar are the same company under different names. Maybe if somebody wrote about the motorcycle and sidecar operations of SS it should go in a different article, but the legacy of SS Jaguar (90 & 100) is vital to Jaguar history. --H. CHENEY 15:44, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hi Hcheney,
I still think that the problematic statement in the actual entry is: " Founded in 1922 as the Swallow Sidecar Company by William Lyons, it was renamed Jaguar in 1935." There are references (such as The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Automobiles, edited by D. Burgess Wise, Hamlyn 1979 p. 206) where Jaguar's history is dated "1945 to date". It states " The name Jaguar first appeared in 1935. It adorned a magnificent two-seater roadster introduced by the Swallow Sidecar Company at the Lonodon Motor Show. However, it was not until 1945 that (the now) Sir William Lyons founded Jaguar Cars Limited." This is a clear statement that the renaming of Swallow was effected in 1945. I think one should be very careful with naming situations just like this. I feel that although SS Sidecar and post-1945 Jaguar Cars are the same company but in 1935 Jaguar had properly been the name of an SS model.
What do you think about this?
Regards, --Millisits 18:36, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hi everybody! While on this discussion everybody seems to know that the change from SS to Jaguar cars was at the end of WWII, the page entry still had the year 1935 in it. I changed that. Regards, --Dr Tux 09:19, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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I'd like to propose moving this article to Jaguar Cars (currently a redir) since that's the name of the company. Anyone oppose? --SFoskett 16:19, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)
