Talk: History of sexuality

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	Pending tasks for History of sexuality:	- add to watchlist
	Change inbound links to reference "History of sexuality", not "History of homosexuality", "History of Homosexuality", or "History of heterosexuality". See What links here. Expand the sections covering the late 20th Century, included non-same-sex aspects, like divorce ; a lot happened then. Integrate historical content about inter-racial marriage, including a summary of Miscegenation Integrate historical aspects of the major issues in Marriage and "See also" articles referenced there. Integrate into the discussion historical content about what is known or theorized about the evolutionary roots of sexuality Integrate historical aspects of Same-sex marriage Integrate discussion of transgendered and intersex people in various historical periods, especially the late 20th Century (since there are major developments in that period). Summarize the historical aspects of Homosexuality in China Summarize the historical aspects of Homosexuality in Japan Write the section about Ancient Rome, and not just same-sex aspects. Write the section about the Middle Ages, and not just same-sex aspects. Write the section about the Renaissance, and not just same-sex aspects. Write the section about the 19th Century, and not just same-sex aspects. Integrate more content about the early 20th Century, and not just same-sex aspects. Investigate historical aspects of sexuality in indigninous peoples Investigate historical aspects of sexuality in non-indiginous societies in Africa, India, South America, and the rest of Asia. Investigate ritualized homosexuality through history Summarize historical aspects of Circumcision Summarize historical aspects of Female circumcision

Contents

1 Guidelines for terminology 2 Old talk from merger (completed) 2.1 Woah 2.2 See 3 AIDS 4 Todo list

Guidelines for terminology

In this article, the inclusive terms "different-sex" and "same-sex" are used throughout. Where necessary for clarity, the terms "straight", "gay", "lesbian", "bisexual", "transgender", "queer" or other more specific terms, such as "romantic", are used. "Different-sex" and "same-sex" do not carry negative nor positive connotations, are not in most cases the prefered term of any group or groups, do not imply self-identification, are not historically specific. However, care should be taken to avoid simply replacing the terms used in discussions of modern conceptions and identities with "different-sex" and "same-sex" in cases where this places aspects of these modern conceptions onto the ideally neutral terms. Examples of prefered usage include:

• Same-sex sexuality prefered over general use of homosexuality
• Different-sex sexuality prefered over general use of heterosexuality
• Person predominately sexually and romantically attracted to people of the same-sex prefered over the noun homosexual
• Person predominately sexually and romantically attracted to people of a different-sex prefered over the noun heterosexual

These are, of course, often overspecific and may often be shortened.

Hyacinth

Shortened, oh yes. How about PPSARATPOTSS and PPSARATPOADS ? Mikkalai 22:38, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

And by the way, since you write "the same sex" but "a different sex", I presume that you distinguish more than two sexes (genders). Do you have in mind hermaphrodites or do you plan to extend the article by sexuality of aliens? Mikkalai 22:38, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I think it would be great if the article discussed the sexuality of intersex people (hermaphrodites) and how that sexuality challenges or confirms other concepts about sexuality. I would prefer the use of gay, but this has not proved acceptable to other wikipedians. I realize some of these terms are unweildy, see User:Hyacinth/Style guide for alternatives. The shortest term isn't always the best.Hyacinth 00:53, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I'm glad that my silly joke gave you a good idea. Mikkalai 01:29, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Just a note, the APA recommends using "gender" instead of "sex" when you mean "gender". Just to avoid confusion. I think that's a good idea. That implies that the "preferred" terms above should be modified a bit. Thoughts? -- Beland 03:27, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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Old talk from merger (completed)

Woah

Um, what happened to the history of homosexuality page :) ? This seems a little over-broad to me, but I need to re-read it. Exploding Boy 22:24, Feb 24, 2004 (UTC)

Please reincorporate information from the original articles now located on their respective talk pages.Hyacinth 22:36, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

What? I mean what happened to the article? Why has it become History of Sexuality, a topic far broader and rather different than History of Homosexuality? Exploding Boy

There was a move some time back to incorporate "causes of homosexuality" into a larger and more exclusive "causes of sexuality" article (I can't remember the exact names, which is why there's no link). I'm guessing that has become a trend. There's talk below about how spin-off articles will be managed. I'm guessing History of homosexuality will eventually return as a spin-off linked to this article. -Seth Mahoney 21:49, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)

See

• Talk:History of homosexuality, to be merged into this article

AIDS

So the previous version of the AIDS section sounded a little bit like "and let's not forget the role of gay people in that whole AIDS thing". Also, the AIDS article had apparently changed a lot and the specific section this article was linking to has disappeared. I re-wrote the section based on the introduction of the AIDS article, and I think it comes across as more neutral now. I moved the reference to "Gay plague" (now "Gay disease") to the AIDS article itself, because "Gay plague" actually has good info about the days before it was called AIDS. I hope you like the changes. --Beland 03:32, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Todo list

The todo list I've just created is huge, and I'm not sure all of the content envisioned there will fit in a single article. Given the recent decision to merge homosexual aspects of sexuality with heterosexuality (which is, of course, a huge topic), I guess splitting the latter off now is out of the question. And there are other vast topics perhaps too large to fit here in their entirety, too. I guess this article can just grow organically, and spawn subarticles on whatever topics it needs to? -- Beland 04:22, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Hmm. Maybe the intention in creating this article was to do "Sexual orientation in history" piece, not a bold, sweeping "History of sexuality"? I guess both are necessary. What to do? -- Beland 04:27, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, maybe we should just get to work on the to-do list and spin off articles as sections get really big? We can then, if necessary, create a subcategory of Category:Sexuality like Category:History of sexuality or something to put all the articles in. -Seth Mahoney 21:45, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)