Talk: Dreyfus affair

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Tone of this article is not very neutral. It would be better if the most problematic statements were reformulated a bit. Taw 10:59 Jan 5, 2003 (UTC)

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62.104.214.93 has deleted a large amount of content from this page, giving as reason: "deleting content stolen from http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=482&letter=D ". However, the http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/ asserts that its site is the public domain content of a 1906 encyclopedia. Therefore we have not stolen the content. So I've restored it. -- Tarquin 20:23 Jan 13, 2003 (UTC)

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This is not an encyclopedia article, it's more like a novella. It's the largest article on Wikipedia, but probably deserves only to be a one-pager here, a century later. Seeing that it mostly came from a 1906 Jewish encyclopedia explains this; being of recent history, all of these minute details were likely known by most of these readers at the time, and perhaps this meticulous story was expected.

Astonishingly, I found it necessary to add to this monster: the "Dreyfus' pardon" section. After wading through this whole thing the tension was killing me. "So what happened to him???" The sentence is quite incomplete in details, but I can't bear to add even more.

Indeed, I think that the whole series is far too emotional, like a novel or a CourtTV recount of famous crime cases. This is not encyclopedia material. Also, the articles plays up the importance of anti-Semites, while passing quickly over the fact that many non-Jews fought for Dreyfus. David.Monniaux 08:26, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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I'm suprised this has become a featured article. It's rather short. I take it it was somewhat larger at some point. Shouldn't this be merged with Alfred DreyfusMintguy (T) 12:39, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC) ... (later edit) ... ahhh I see it's part of a larger series. Hm.. Mintguy (T)

..(still later)... I'm not sure we should have this as a featured article on the main page, when the last chapter is missing! Mintguy (T) 12:44, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I did a lot of work on this at one time, mainly "translating" into simpler, more modern English. One of the things I did at that time was to transfer all the biographical stuff into a separate article called Alfred Dreyfus, which didn't then exist. That action seemed to me to be in keeping with the general policy of cutting down long articles into their constituent parts. Actually, I'm quite glad to see that someone's taken a bolder approach. Deb 15:50, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Is there any evidence that statues or monuments to Alfred Dreyfus are still vandalized today, as of 2004? Or was this information copied from decades-old news? David.Monniaux 07:38, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Looking at the early entries copied from the old encyclopedia, it appears that the mention of vandalism was not there, and someone added it later. So I would not remove it: it was likely added by someone with some specific recent evidence in mind. --Shibboleth 04:11, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Corrections required?

The sentence where it is mentioned that Dreyfus was pardoned in 1899 needs clarification. This is because his reinstatment in the French army and subsequent awarding of the Legion of Honour actually took place in 1906, when he was completely exonnerated and found innocent of all the charges. The way the sentence reads at the moment, his reinstatment and awarding of the Legion of Honour appears to have taken place in 1899; this should be corrected.

What is the Dreyfus affair

I had never heard of this before reading "misunderstood the Dreyfus case" in an unrelated text. This is a great page, it discusses the policital climate, and public feelings towards Dreyfus. Some things it doesn't do:

Explain the circumstances surrounding his arrest and charging (who what where when how and some sort of why)

Give detail surrounding the "political scandal".

Explain why the anti-semetic feelings in France are relevant. The article talks about banking but I dont understand how everything fits together. Did Dreyfus upset jewish people? how? was he a scapegoat? for what? I have NO idea after reading this.

I'm sorry, I know this is a featured article, and I know I am being harsh. But for someone who is learning about the topic for the first time, it left more questions than answers.

--Uncle Bungle 23:57, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Um, Dreyfus was Jewish. He didn't upset the Jews, he upset the anti-Semites who were all-too-willing to believe a Jew was a traitor. This article is not the place for a full discussion of European anti-Semitism. —Tkinias 11:54, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Simple English

I made a Simple English summary of this simple:Dreyfus Affair, as this 5 page article is really complicated. Please tidy it up for me, I am not totally sure of its good content-ness.

I made some fixes at simple:Dreyfus Affair and added mention of anti-Semitism (which needs its own article). It's not easy to discuss simply, but without anti-Semitism the whole Affair makes no sense. —Tkinias 11:51, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC) Insert non-formatted text here